Did he say per week or per month? If it’s per week I call bullshit as rents are not that expensive in Zagreb - if it’s per month
Here's the FB comment:
It has to be monthly as that lines up with the average rent of the centre of Zagreb.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Who wrote the statement LMsA posted on page 789 because I can't read it. Can anyone post a link please?
That looks horrible on my smartphone. Here's the copy and paste from that comment, which has since been deleted. So no link.
You and now Tibor are quick to dismiss any critical comments regarding you and the circumstances surrounding your trip to Thailand as coming from judgmental “JW Mindset” minds. But isn’t that what you are doing now? You made a mistake by leaving our wife and deceiving your supporters by ditching a planned UK meetup with you in favor of going to SE Asia and in your words “dating” a sex worker. People became critical of you, even angry. You’ve judged them as if they had no right to feel deceived or disappointed in you. Why is that? Likewise people made a mistake to assume you were behind a green screen. You and Tibor are now judging them for committing a comparatively minor offense when compared to your Thailand deception and I’ve already heard the words “conspiracy theorists” and nutcases thrown about. For someone who obviously prides himself as giving “acts of kindness” as you and Tibor repeatedly touched upon in this video, these words ring rather hollow. If it is just as you and Tibor have expressed, and your critics are victims of having a JW mindset, shouldn’t your “kindness” also extend to avoiding using these words to slander them? How are you helping them to beat the claimed JW mindset they have? You can’t have it both ways. You can’t boast about how helpful your videos are to exJWs while at the same time labeling most of them in harsh terms and quite publicly. It seems you are purposely omitting a lot of events when you speak of your troubles in the past year which are very important contextually speaking. I say you are purposely doing this because the facts don’t support your assertions. How would you go about explaining your three page long threat letter saying you were going to spend the next 40 years of your life going after Kim Silvio (who was in the opening credits of the Selters video both you and Tibor were so proud of) or until your dying breath? For someone who is all about “kindness” in this video, your vengeful comments in that letter prove quite the opposite. What about the lawsuit you've initiated in the Sisak Municipal Court which is evidently so frivolous that the court has refused your request to serve the people who’ve been named and slandered as “criminal defendants”? All you need to do is quit falsely referring to them as “criminal defendants” and that would go some way into backing up your claims of kindness. I see what you are doing and it is not going to work. If people can remember the Selters video and other works you are so proud of, they can and will also remember your behavior last year. There are also many people, including over half your Patrons who have dropped their support of you who are and will be here to remind them. You are preying upon the vulnerable again for financial support. The same people haven’t a clue what you’ve really been up to, your vile behavior and threats. It is from this pool of potential supporters that you are trying to manipulate into thinking that you are the innocent victim in all of this and hopefully influence them. It is interesting that you say you cannot watch the Selters video. May I ask, is it because Kim Silvio was involved in that project or that Ben Foard has dropped his support of you and your channel due to your actions that you cannot watch it? Or is it both? The video exists and as you say you are glad it exists. Doesn’t it bother you that the central subject of that video is now a critic of yours (and thus has the “JW Mindset”) whom you have blocked on social media and that one of your main collaborators in the same video is now regularly bashed by you publicly as a criminal? Would those two facts alone make you re-think your assessment of the video, or are you intent on ignoring everything that is not convenient to you? You or your mods will hide this comment I am sure, but my question is genuine and I think a heartfelt answer from you, free from insults or accusations would go some way towards backing your comments up about your videos being an altruistic endeavor of some kind. I remain skeptical. I hope you don’t judge me for that.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Who wrote the statement LMsA posted on page 789 because I can't read it. Can anyone post a link please?
It was a comment placed under the Tibor interview video on YouTube. I'll split it into three parts
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that's where he lives...A one bedroom apartment in an attic... I think he will do more and more live video in there, He said the studio is half an hour drive , and also he doesn't need to pay Tibor for them too...
It seems plausible that Tibor lives at Ramacro. I watched the video tour and it had two bedrooms in addition to the studio, a living area, toilet facilities, a kitchen and laundry room. That's a lot of room to just let sit idle. And 30 minutes from his attic in the centre of Zagreb places you out of the city. It's actually half the way to Sisak if it is in that direction. Lloyd says he pays $450 for his flat in the centre of Zagreb. This might be about the same or even less if it is in a more rural locality. The right to live there might make up most if not all of Tibor's salary.
Since Tibor stated that he had difficulty getting a job in Croatia and that Lloyd is his only employer ever, he probably lived with his mother up until last year.
Also plausible is that Dijana and the girls live there, but Tibor seems more likely. There has to be someone living there one would think.
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My guess is that he had a lot of previously recorded videos before he lost the studio
How do we know he lost the studio? Did he say he was shutting it down for sure? I know he threatened "drastically scale down" in his begging tweet but that's the last I heard of it.
If he is indeed shutting it down, then what's he doing with the "amazing response" he crowdfunded as a result of his begging? I thought that was to save Ramacro? If he's shutting it down anyway, all those people just gave him what amounts to personal donations and he's in violation of his 280 patrons promise of enhancing his studio. He even stated he "won't turn the lights out on Ramacro just yet". So he ended shutting it down anyway despite the money he received to save it?
FYI - he's at 412 Patrons, which is a gain of 6 from the monthly drop. If he doesn't get it to round 420 in a couple weeks, he'll likely drop below 400 again, thus wiping out most of his gains from the bump he gained from begging.
I'm curious because if he's not at least keeping the status quo at 400+ patrons plus whatever he got through Paypal, this is one hell of a scam he's running even by Lloyd standards.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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What an utter clown and vile low-life piece of shit to do such a thing. To harass people like that, who have nothing todo with anything, is purely hateful and vindictive.
There was more to it. Tom was being shunned by his parents and it was for this shitty reason that they finally reached out to him. Tom’s mum per his description was no fool and didn’t suffer them either. She essentially told him she wasn’t buying any of it and to stop calling. Lloyd or whoever it was calling on his behalf just went off on his mum. It wasn’t just a prank call with an idle threat. It ended with a comment to the effect of “pay up or you might just get your throat slit”.
Lloyd was asking in his FB post for Tom’s info. His real last name was only known by his close friends so he apparently got a former friend to leak it to him. Though we can’t be certain that it was Lloyd who called based on what Tom’s mum told him, we can be certain the call was placed by Lloyd or at his behest. No one else had a “reason” to call his parents.
TIBOR - Since we’re speaking about those acts of kindness your boss regularly dishes out, can you get your boss to comment on the call placed to Tom’s mother?
Those bloody phone calls are rarely if ever new leavers and the questions are so asinine.
Exactly. Even a secular therapist/advice columnist/talk show host/old man sitting in a chair by the front door could answer them and give effective advice. A lot of them seem planted because they are so predictable and are good for bringing certain topics up by demand.
”I’m gay and my parents shun me. What should I do??”
”My JW ex has my dog and won’t return him!”
”I want to leave the JWs! How do I quit?”
Hmmm tough one. Stop going to meetings and out in field service. Report no time. When the elders call, hang up. If they harass you at your home tell them to leave or you will call the police. Whoever shuns you for going inactive or whatever, then they weren’t your real friends. Same with parents. YOU ARE A JW AND YOU KNOW EXACTLY THE METHODS OF QUITTING AND THE VARIOUS CONSEQUENCES SO WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS QUESTION!?!?
Then you’ll hear the legendary story of Lloyd’s dad not opening the door when he placed his girl there as a prop and then told her that grandpa doesn’t want to see her.
Next question to appear on Lloyd’s voicemail:
My sister is pregnant and it could only be one of three elders or the circuit overseer who is the father. WHAT SHOULD I DO?!?
I know because I’m leaving him this voicemail right now.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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Threatened Tom’s (JW Fairy Tales) dying mother by demanding money and the deed to their house as compensation for Tom’s comments about him.
I have been following Lloyd's shenanigans for a decade and hadn't heard about this.Tom elaborated about this on his last two livestream appearances:
Between The Lines With "The Magnificent Seven" LIVE - YouTube
He also crowdfunded funds for a lawsuit that never materialised.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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The fucking nerve of Tibor to suggest we can all benefit from Lloyd’s “acts of kindness”. As he stated, he has only been in Lloyd’s employ since January 2021. Perhaps he’s missed a few of these “acts of kindness”. Here’s another list:
Getting people banned and/or bullied into silence on this forum for disagreement with him.
Introducing Dijana on the forum and falsely suggesting that her English wasn’t great and that she’d be more comfortable trading recipes with other women than talking about any important topics.
Bullying and gaslighting of Shyla Huntley and calling her parents crazy for defending her
Going on the attack as President of AAWA. Calling people liars who said they’ve been doxxed and outted as apostates due to the AAWA FB group.
Abandoning his newborn child with Dijana and Marc Latham on the ground floor at a London event so he could seek out a podium.
Bootlegging COC with Arthur Weber and then lying about his involvement and the illegality of it.
Attacking the copyright owner Debbie Dykstra for what he deemed as incompetence due to her advanced age. Also attacked her personally as being influenced by perceived enemies of his on his Reddit thread.
Posting a vengeful FB post calling out Marc Latham for sending out a private AAWA email leaked to him that criticised Lloyd for copyright infringement.
Policing people’s “likes” on Facebook and sent them snotty DMs telling them they are being defriended for liking a post by Marc or Mike and Kim.
Relentlessly bullied fellow JW Podcast host Louise Goode all through the weekend for the crime of saying she thought Jonathan Sanders was doing a good job. Forced a public apology out of her.
Attempted to sabotage the Warwick protest organised by the VAA by influencing his then friend and fanboy Truth Seeker Atheist to call the police, saying they were “aggressive” and “terrorists”.
Sent out abusive DMs to people who attended the protest because Joel Martz was there.
Threatened Tom’s (JW Fairy Tales) dying mother by demanding money and the deed to their house as compensation for Tom’s comments about him.
Grifted $20K to publish TRA and had UK exJWs organise his events for free. Brusquely informed organiser Lydia Finch that she had to purchase his book when she asked if she could borrow a copy to read.
Charged a cover fee to enter his section of the UK coffee shoppe during the signing event when it was against the rules of that business which was letting him sign there at no cost.
Manipulated Kameron Fader into deleting comments asking about why he was removed as an elder.
Charged CSA survivors $150 to have their story published in his second book.
Attacked CSA Survivor and ARC participant “BCG” online for refusing permission for her story to be published in a book by one of his associates. Said she was being controlled and influenced by his “haters”.
Initiating countless flame wars on social media with people who disagreed with him.
Left Jillian Adams responsible for the nonrefundable deposit on the venue for the December 2021 “Aposdate with Lloyd Evans” when he cancelled, claiming illness but was really going to Thailand.
Slightly admonished Producer Bob for suggesting he see the elephants, saying he was concerned about their abuse. Had no such qualms as he paid for sex with exploited and trafficked women.
Called his wife a head-fuck when she tried to pull out of an open marriage demand.
Humiliated his wife on a livestream saying she was not sexually compatible with him.
Hurled abusive tweets at Kim Silvio and set his goon squad upon her for revealing things he confirmed in his livestream.
Threatened to sue Andrew Gold for the crime of doing his job as a journalist and having Kim on for her side of the story.
Sent out extortion letters through his attorney to 12 individuals demanding huge sums of money which would have bankrupted a few of his targets.
Sued 7 individuals in Sisak Municipal Court for expressing their rights of free speech in their criticism of Lloyd’s vile behaviour.
Taunted others on social media with threats of “criminal prosecution” and labelled the M7 as “criminal defendants”.
Sent out abusive tweets and WhatsApp msgs to Jillian Adams and Sarah Davies for criticising him.
Posted a 3 page open letter to Kim Silvio threatening to stalk her for the next 40 years until he’s enacted his revenge.
Engaged in a personal vendetta against Jake Vaughn for shortcomings he admitted to and more importantly, apologised for.
TIBOR - If you are reading this, I invite you to return to this forum to discuss the points outlined above. You will be treated with respect as long as you don’t engage in personal attacks. I understand the delicate position you are in as you related in your video regarding being financially dependent upon Lloyd and the difficulties in finding employment in Croatia. But you’ve made a lot of puzzling allegations against a lot of people whilst conveniently ignoring all the issues with your boss. Your comments about Lloyd’s “acts of kindness” are particularly troubling when there is plenty of evidence to the contrary. Can you agree that the “acts of kindness” that you refer to can be negated and even overwhelmed by acts of abuse from the same source? I genuinely wonder what you’ve been told and if you are aware of these past events. This isn’t about any “green screen” conspiracy. This is your opportunity to bring your receipts. We have plenty of them regarding Lloyd, plus many personal testimonials from the people abused by Lloyd Evans. We can connect you with these people directly should you wish to hear the full story. Please don’t fall into the “JW Mindset” and refuse to hear info that is detrimental to your boss and his “company”.
Sincerely,
The Conspiracy Theorists and nutcases on JWN.
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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars
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I keep hearing a lot about people being judgmental. The real head fuck here (to borrow a term from Lloyd) is that him and now Tibor have been quite judgmental themselves and the only trigger seems to be criticism of Lloyd. A line has been drawn. If you continue to support Lloyd after all this you are truly an awakened exJW. If you took issue with his deception, lies, bully tactics and financial grift, then you have the judgmental JW mindset.
Tibor has no excuse to think this way. He’s been to Lloyd’s home and has met the family multiple times. He knows now how damaging Lloyd’s behaviour has been and has witnessed daily evidence of this in the form of a broken family and Lloyd now living as a bachelor in Zagreb. What does Tibor think about the emotional and verbal abuse Lloyd has engaged in for years against his wife whom he knows personally? Does Tibor think those two girls aren’t going to be permanently damaged by the actions his boss took? He’s also seen the livestream and Lloyd’s consistent verbal attacks and outright threats ever since. Absolutely no context was provided and had one only watched that video they’d assume that Lloyd was bullied by judgmental exJWs. As they say in software coding, this was by design. We’re a “nightmare to navigate” as if Lloyd hadn’t deceived everyone by fleeing to Thailand under the guise of a mental health break and has been on the warpath ever since.
But we’re the “nightmare”. Certainly not Lloyd, who’s been kind, levelheaded and certainly hasn’t engaged in any toxicity of his own making for the past year.
Are people being “judgmental” to raise questions as to how much money is being donated to this “company” (their words) and what the funds are actually being used for? Are they saying it’s OK to ask that question about WT, but judgmental to ask the same about Lloyd’s company? Aren’t we supposed to question things, especially considering all of WT’s financial misdeeds and that grift perpetuated upon us as longtime members? He wants to have it both ways - he encourages JWs to question and be critical of their religion but wants it to immediately stop the minute they start following and donating to him.
They brought up the Selters video. Isn’t it odd that whilst they are both proud of it, Lloyd won’t watch it and acted like it was traumatising for him? The subject of the entire video as well as Lloyd’s main collaborator who was listed in the opening credits are now at odds with Lloyd. Has Tibor ever stopped to consider why? Seriously Tibor, make a list of the people you’ve just accused of having a judgmental mindset based on their feelings about what Lloyd did and continues to do. I’ll help you get started.
Judgmental people like those at the Kingdom Hall:
Kim Silvio and the M7
The additional 5 people who were sent threat letters by Novosel (Jake Vaughn, Cappytan, JWBD, etc)
Ben Foard
John Maple
Jillian Adams
Sarah Davies
Jason Wynne
Javier Ortiz
Mark O’Donnell
Andrew Gold
Dr Sohom Das
Kameron Fader
Simon Green
Mentally Diseased (Jeremy)
Jan Frode Nilsen
Ashtyn & Jon (YT Commentators with 250K subs)
Wally Barnett
Coach Dee Free
Shelly Dean-Braieoux (BCG from the Aus. Royal Commission)
Louise Goode
Shelise Ann Sola (Cult to Consciousness, former Mormon)
Angel DeSantis (Former cult member - Children of God)
Plåt Jonas (Goatlike Personality)
That’s quite the list. Might just be easier to make a list of who is not judgmental in the JW sense:
Lloyd Evans
Tibor Cecelja
Jay the Comedian
Jana Monteiro
Amanda Blackett (Leica Fox)
Or maybe, just maybe, your friend and employer Lloyd Evans is the one with the real problem here. Food for thought, Tibor.
PS - The green screen controversy lasted for about a week and was only touted by a handful of people on this forum. Considering all the other issues with your boss, you were really scraping the bottom of the barrel on this one. It was just a red herring of yours to distract Lloyd’s audience from the real issues. Hope this helps. JWN can really be a good source of information, diversity of thoughts and absolutely spot on observations of who your boss really is. Consider this post as an “act of kindness”, but I won’t expect a free bowl of soup for the trouble.
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